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escalates the fight on the w economy. is the debt ceiling negotiable? your thoughts? send us a tweet or post your comment on facebook. you can also send us an e-mail. president obama held his last official news conference of the first term yesterday in the east room of the white house. here's what he had to say on the debt ceiling debate. [video clip] >> republicans and congress have two choices. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect ransomed in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people well-being is not a leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states is not a bargaining chip. they had better choose quickly, because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea, r. triple-a credit rating was downgraded for the first time in our mystery, our businesses created the few jobs in any month in nearly the past three years, and the whole fiasco added to the deficit. ho

by what our government does in the weeks and months ahead. okay. quick question about the debt ceiling. these talking points, that the right have, about the "heavy hand of government" ... i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really? you're going to lay people off because now the government is going to help you fund your healthcare. really? i want to have those conversations, not to be confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying, and i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table. ♪ ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500 with best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. the new ram 1500. motor trend's 2013 truck of the year. [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands? >> john: before we could even shake off our collective fiscal cliff fatigue it's now back to the doldrum

is over. eric cantore proposes a three-month deal on the debt ceiling. some democrats are calling it a trap. i'll ask dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz what she thinks. democrats are about to drop the ball. tonight, my message to senator harry reid. plus the american people are getting ripped off by a congress that just isn't working. congressman rick nolan, there 30 years ago. he is back now and he can't believe the difference. he is wondering, are we getting paid for this? >>> is it really an admission of guilt if you don't show any remorse? >> it did not even feel wrong? >> no. it's scary. >> did you feel bad about it? >> no. even scarier. >> psychologist dr. jeffrey gardere on lance armstrong's bizarre performance last night. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. republicans surrendered today in one of his biggest fights. president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the un

dermott's reaction to the president's tough talk on the debt ceiling. e.j. dion and ruth con connaught on whether the republicans will actually listen. >>> one month after sandy hook, he has the president's gun recommendations. >> will spineless republicans kill reform? one threats impeachment if the president signs an executive order on guns. dan gross of the brady campaign is here with reaction to the president's comments that the nra is joining up fear to sell guns. >>> and former secretary of state colin powell calls out republicans on race. >> there is also a dark -- a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. >> dr. james peterson janes me to discuss the republican response. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. president obama took on the single greatest threat to the global economy today, the republican party. the president used the final news conference of his first term to throw down the gauntlet. after years of deliberate confusion by republicans, president obama set the record straight on the debt ceiling. >> now, the other congressionally imposed

president obama a blank check but told "houston chronicle" editorial board, "we will raise the debt ceiling. we are not going to default on our debt." he went on to say "i tell you unequivocally we are not going to default." cornyn notes there will be tax revenue coming in and said it may be necessary to partially shut down the government to secure the long-term fiscal well-being of the country. white house aides just want congress to get it done. >> the point is without drama and delay, monthly extension is drama. okay? so congress should do its job. we're not going to negotiate over extending the debt ceiling. >> though the house is planning something short-term to force the senate to the a budget. >> just the structure, moving something on a shorter term, what we are discussing is something that all could support. it's reasonable. but also very constructive for america themselves. >> spokesman for the senate majority leader harry reid says if the house pass a clean debt ceiling incress, the senate will be happy to consider it. jay carney at the white house called for passing a clean debt

the debt ceiling will have to be raised. we will get the read from mark murray and what's happening on both sides. secretary of state hillary clinton called the prime minister of algeria and a group claims they are holding a total of 41 hostages after occupying a natural gas complex. they were reportedly to punish algeria for allowing french jets to use the airspace in attacking a group linked to al qaeda. we will have more on the news, but seven americans reportedly being held hostage in algeria. we'll be right back. asional have constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues... with three strains of good bacteria. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. looks like you're in a pickle. yeah. can you get me out of it ? just so happens i know a chap.

set the record straight on the debt ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to spend to congress. the result is the money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people in congress how they're trying to do their actual jobs. >> these are bills that are racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to find compromise on how to pay our debts, americans should not be stopped from paying the bills we racked up. >> the country will be in a dire situation. president obama knows

bypassing the debt ceiling -- on congress's behalf. >> democrats are urging the president to use executive order to say congress, i don't node to you raise the debt ceiling, i am going to do it on my own. i want everybody to know,utive order -- high is not the first president and won't be the last to use executive order. frankslinrosis velt passed 37 executive orders and clinton and reagan did 350-plus. i am talking about policy issues of significant magnitude that need to have a full public vetting. the american people need tock engaged in the process. we need hearing on the matter ogun control, specifically. and we really need to talk about mental health and how we as a society are not embracing people with mental health issues. that's a bigger conversation, i know, neil. >> neil: thank you for indulging all of this breaking news and being on top of it. we told you about the mulvaney amendment, matching dollar for dollar, any aide they are getting in like-minded cuts from discretionary spending. that was defeated, as expected on the flor of the house. to missouri running senator roy blun

closer to maxing out on a credit card. some lawmakers have a plan to fix that whole debt ceiling problem for good. plus folks in the deep south dealing with unusuallynter weat. first alert forecasters say get ready for round two. that's coming up as we reach the bottom of the hour and the top of the news. two minutes away. careful, pringles are bursting with flavor. ♪ pringles... bursting with flavor. >> bill: california man got more than he bargained for when he bought an old camera at cluttered antique store. the french stereo scope pick camera from 1901 cost him only $100. it turned out it contained historic photos from the first world war. they show war torn france including the remains of an airplane and men in uniform posing what appears to be a bomb. >> it was incredible to me that developed images were in the camera but now that i think about it, the serendipity of it and the fact that i saw that camera as i first walked in. >> he says he is going to make prints of the images and eventually sell them. i'm bill hemmer in tonight for shepard smith. this is the fox report. some de

to fight over. is it debt ceiling, is it sequestration, is it the resolution later in march? they could use that bell to call them to order there but it's hard to think that they could find a path. you've got on the one hand, a lot of distension in the rarngs there. but, also, just public opinion seems to be stacked against them. they're on the wrong side of so many issues. they seem to be wanting to plot a course right in the near term. but i think on the other hand, if you look at what democrats are doing, they're trying to chart a course that looks more like where america is more broadly. of course it would put them in good standing for 2014 and 2016. >> now, wes, when we look at the fact that they seem to be further and further away. committee reports that many republicans scoff at the idea of a debt ceiling disaster. and it reads, let me read this to you, to these conservatives, hitting the debt ceiling is no armageddon and the idea of default is just a scare tactic. and they claim not to be frightened. i mean, we could have different opinions, but we can't have different facts. the de

's report card. >> the debt ceiling is a dangerous game. >> i don't see that as a winner for them. >> don't fight battles you can't win. >> it is a troubled time for the party. >> let's stop for a second. >> let's make clear decisions. >> the republican strategy. >> stop talking about rape. >> don't fight battles you can't win. >> it is a troubled time for the party, get something done. >> we have to be the party of new solutions, we're not just going to be the party of no. >> it is groundhog day. >> the conservatives, the retreat, we've come a long way since. >> i'm ezra klein in for lawrence o'donnell, one of the great moments, when redford having just won the election, sits down on the bed taking it all in. the next few words are not just to ever film junky, pretty much to every political candidate. >> what do we do now? >> what do we do now? that is always the question, what do you do now when you have to govern? but it is not just a question that affects winners, sometimes losers of elections have to ask what do we do now? and for them the question can be harder to answer, after all,

's the view of all of them. >> of course. >>> we'll move onto the debt ceiling with the government on pace to run out of money by mid-february. >> yesterday, the president warned republican leaders raising the nation's borrowing limit was non-negotiable and congress aimed to use it as lever eventuallyiage for deep s. >> while i'm willing to find middle ground to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate. not paying its bills is irresponsible. it's absurd. republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect or ransom in exchange for not crashing the america economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. >> you know, it looks like republicans are up against another wall. but they're not going to be able to get -- they're not going to be able to get, quite frankly, some things they really want, if they're serio

that will coalesce. debt ceiling discussion, debt ceiling and the fact that the federal government will run out of money at the end of march. >> all those bring a confluence of an opportunity to drive a debate and drive changes that get us towards long-term prosperity and get us off of this notion that we can just continue to borrow and spend. >> reporter: it is clear most republicans want there to be spending cuts as part of these fiscal matters as they work on long-term extensions or solving these problems long term. jenna. jenna: mike, if we're hearing this, then the white house is probably hearing this as well. any reaction from the white house about potentially this plan from republicans? report or the jenna, --. >> reporter: jenna white house officials are saying if congress doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling they should authority rise president obama to do it himself. they should extend it so it doesn't cause concern for the economy and global markets. >> longstanding tradition for the congress to raise the debt ceiling. this is power they have given themselves, the point is without

to be a little breezy as well. meanwhile the problem break through on the debt ceiling. the house gop said they are considering raising the debt limit for three months, a vote is scheduled next week, more details on that in a bit. >>> today, of course is the last full day of president obama's first term and it's the national day of service. day for giving back. earlier today the president and first lady volunteered at a school in the washington, d.c. area, nbc's ron is standing by the national day of service day tent at the mall and you have a special guest there with you as well, good day to you, sir? >> reporter: hey there, craig. my special guest is being mobbed by the crowd behind me. it's the senior adviser to president obama. she will make her way here in a second. as she comes up, we will give her a big welcome. welcome, valerie. pleasure to see you. >> pleasure to be here. can you believe the crowd? it's amazing. >> reporter: the president and first lady created this to really hopefully make it a standing tradition for inaugurations going forward. >> not just inaugurations, my mess

. and number two, i think it is fido, as the president said so clearly yesterday, that the debt ceiling essentially must not use to say what then that essentially takes on and essentially undoes the basic full faith and credit of the united states of america. the president made so clear what would he have staked if that were to happen and i just think it's so critical that not occur. you know, i've been through these battles as i've said for many decades, but i don't remember anyone essentially saying we should go over the cliff in terms of the full faith and credit of the united states. the consequences with teeth, i think, to not take, potentially cataclysmic. and for the republicans who essentially say, let's do it, i think that would be a very, very serious mistake with foreseeable consequences. the federal reserve has said don't do it and i think the responsible position is we should not flirt with it. >> said they don't march on me with torches that they start asking you questions. something cataclysmic shouldn't be done in terms of reaching the debt ceiling, yet does science seem

finally announced a debt ceiling plan. kick the can again. this time for three months. in an efforts to put pressure on the senate to do something instead. that's the whole, it wasn't me, i guess, strategy. of course, that means another debt ceiling debate is just three months away. joining us now, bill cohen, a columnist at bloomberg view and by phone we have nbc's luke russert in williamsburg, virginia, covering the house republicans. welcome to both of you. >> thank you, karen. >> luke, i want to start with you. republicans are calling it a plan, democratic leader nancy pelosi call it is a gimmick. it sounds more like -- i mean, my read initially was this is more like political posturing rather than a serious deal. what are you hearing down there? >> well, it certainly is something that's meant to try and force the senate to act. you know, the senate has not passed a suggest in over 1,300 days and that's a popular rallying cry of the house gop. but what came out of this retreat was the idea instilled in members that it's probably not beneficial with the republican brand so damaged

-imposed thing coming up is a debt ceiling, something americans have not heard of before two years ago. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have party been racked up, and we need to pay them. so while i am willing to compromise and find common ground for how to reduce the deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks, veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops or honor our contracts with small-business owners. food inspectors, air traffic controllers, specialists who track down loose nuclear materials would not get their paychecks. investors around the world will ask if the united states of america is in fact a safe bet. markets could go haywire. interest rates would spike for anyone who

, is unforgivable is the way to make these policies. second, you have the debt ceiling. it is a marketing tool the country hostage. we know there's going to be a fighter for the debt ceiling. in the past that feeling with a speed bump that reminded folks who are borrowing too much and needed to make changes. it could be a useful reminder. not because of sars are people really worry about the fate of the u.s. government and its economic damage, which is what we saw last time. the third piece, the fact government spending is going to expire in the triple witching hour of these issues is if this will close and is that going to force action of the hardest pieces still remaining for the fact that they still for all intents and purposes, it's good we didn't go to the fiscal cliff, good release revenue, but we basically did what we always do, which is punted the hard choices and try to declare bipartisan victory. it wasn't there. the question as to make make these next moments were set to getting us to really take on policies. and this is part of your question that will do it the necessary savings th

to face the tax issue, as well. it's not just raising the debt ceiling that he's going to have to deal with. but he's going to have to negotiate with the republicans and perhaps try to change the tax code. all of these things are things he's already signaled he wants to do. what's fascinating is that this is a president who wanted to be a domestic president in the last -- in his first term and he was saddled with an economic situation and two wars to deal with. now is a shot to be that domestic president and make some really big change. but he's going to have to work with republicans in the house in order to get big things accomplished. >> and clearly what he wants to do is have some influence on voters. and though the official announcement is expected today, we do know that obama for america is going to become this nonprofit supporting his agenda. what kind of influence could this have? >> well, i think if you're an obama supporter, you hope it has more influence than it did or what they tried to do during his first term. they talked a lot about this leveraging his campaign which ever

of representatives faces a vote to increase america's debt ceiling. pending legislation raises the debt ceiling by roughly $300 billion to $400 billion. what protection does america get in return? are there any spending cuts? no. are there policies that spur economic growth in resulting revenue increases? no. does this proposal help fix in any way the trillion dollar deficits that threaten america with financial ruin? no. mr. speaker, i can only speak for me. i will not vote to raise the debt ceiling unless significant efforts are made to fix the underlying problem of deficits and accumulated debt that force debt ceiling votes and risk america's future. i will not vote to raise the debt ceiling unless first congress passes a substantive balanced budget constitutional amendment that solves the debt problem for future generations or, second, we implement sizable spanneding cuts that help get our financial affairs in order. i take this stance full well knowing the adverse economic effects of a failure to raise the debt ceiling, but also knowing, mr. speaker, that those affects pale in comparison t

we're going to do, we're going to pass a three or four-month extension of the debt ceiling. then we're going to get into a fight on the sequester and hold the line of the sequester. this is a promise the leadership is making to us. as long as they keep that promise i think many conservatives will be ok with that. then when we get to the debt ceiling fight we're going to ask for at a minimum the one--- the one-for-one cuts that come from the boehner rule for any long-term debt ceiling extension system of if we look at that, it means that in 10 to 15 years, with very little help from the democrats, we can achieve a balanced budget which is much better than even the 23- to 27 -- better than the 23 years to 27 years and obviously better than the never balancing budget obama and the democrats have proposed for the last four years. so you look at all the data out there. all the public opinion polls say that the american people think we're spending too much money. that the american people think that we are taxing too much. but the problem is that as republicans, i think this goes to what r

unconstitutional, and an extension of the debt ceiling for about three months which is okay. . it doesn't really go to the heart of the matter. we're going to have a report on this whole story in just a moment. . meanwhile, better news, the stock rally continues up 54 points on the dow, 161 points for the week. get this, a 35% gain in the broad s&p 500. . just since early october 2011. that's right. it's like a stealth rally. it keeps on moving. we'll talk to a leading investment ceo a bit later in the program. . first up, in williamsburg, virginia, today, house republicans have agreed to take up the plan next week to extend the debt ceiling with some conditions. i think that's boring and uninspiring. let's go to the source of this cnbc contributor robert costa. . . i think it's boring, boring, boring. you tell why this is a great. are not attached to this proposal. very three months. let me say this, from all my reporting down there in eastern virginia default on the debt. so what they're trying to do is just punt on the debt ceiling and focus the spending cut fight on the upcoming continuing reso

raising the debt ceiling gives the government the ability to pay its existing bills. it doesn't create new deficit spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family that's trying to improve its credit rating. families that say, i know how we can save money, we won't pay her credit card bills. it was the sole solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 in the u.s. downgraded last time. so all these issues are important and it's very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in a deal, it certainly went part way, but leaves a number of issues still on the table. would you care to raise that as an additional fiscal cliff that is facing us? would you think that it's not as concerning as it was when you raise that term initially? >> as i said the fiscal cliff, if it is allowed to take place, it probably would have traded a recession this year. a good bit of that has been a

the debt ceiling. this is the question we posed. is reduce the federal deficit a worthy goal? this is interesting you may recall white house press secretary made news by stating that deficit reduction is, quote not a worthy goal onto itself. 77% of voters disagree with them and that includes large majorities of republicans, independents and democrats. what is your take on this? >> again i don't want to be a downer here, the question is what urgency to do they place on that. we had an election two months ago where there were two candidates, one was more focused on cutting the deficit and reducing our long term debt and one didn't think it was a big concern. the one who didn't think it was a big concern won the election. yes, voters seem to say that is an issue they agree with, but when it came to election day two months ago that certainly wasn't one of the top issues they voted on because they voted for the candidate who wasn't embody go it. >> heather: through his actions, as well. that leads to this, how f or if it should be raised? should the debt limit be raised again, 23%

and the debt ceiling. the president simply will not offer any compromise on federal spending that might get a debt deal done. on guns as we just heard, is he threatening executive orders. so i think the president simply wants to damage the republicans rather than solve complicated problems, at least at this juncture. joining us from washington with his take fox news political analyst charles krauthammer. i see it as a chess game. rather than both parties working together to get some gun legislation that might help folks control criminals in that area and rather than getting the debt ceiling done with some, you know, meaningful cuts in spending, the president says, you know, i'm not even going to bother. i want to alienate the republicans so that people will be angry with them. am i wrong? he has been doing that since elections day, i wrote a column ever since september pointing out entire strategy for the fiscal cliff was to split the republicans. it had nothing to do his offers had nothing to do with solving the fiscal issue or solving the debt. he showed nothing to solve the debt since he

-term debt ceiling extension. is it too short? does this get us past the hump? >> well, you know, look, this is an attempt by republicans to acknowledge that in a way president obama has won on the i won't negotiate. >> it's not ending the problem, but it is an acknowledgment by house republicans that having that fight right now is not one that is politically advantageous for them, and not advantageous for the country. it does not mean, however -- obviously, it does not mean that we may not have down the road in three months time, and now kind of mid to late spring, we may not have the fight we are expecting to have next month. >> only 44% disapproval rating for the president. that's a pretty good head of steam going in. real concerns about whether the president and congress can do mying about the economy, which is job one. >> the vast majority say it's in the wrong direction. there is a pessimism, is the best word i can use, about the deposit's willingness and i think even more worrisome ability to fix the problem. >> there is a decline in confidence. there is a broader trend, but it'

know, i was thinking about it in a way that republicans threatening to use the debt ceiling relays everything and puts the perspective, i think, in the wrong place. i think it's a serious mistake for them to even think about that, and we were talking earlier about the articles this morning saying how dangerous it is to use the debt ceiling to essentially put the full faith and credit of this country in the real jeopardy so i am very concerned about the consequences from doing that or even threatening to do it immediately and, also, it really shifts the focus and instead of it being on the debt ceiling, including tax reform. >> host: okay. so tax reform doesn't happen in 2013. >> guest: it may not happen. >> host: may not happen. what's the impact of that? what's the implication? >> guest: i said all along it's important for us to look beyond the label tax reform. for example, we are urged early on tax reform to bring the rates down to 25% individual and corporate. without indicating how in the world you would do that, and some said, well, we can use the exemptions in the deductions

, trace. and a push to completely eliminate the debt ceiling once and for all effectively eliminating any legal checks on federal spending. up next, stu varney, what this could mean and why a whole new class of taxes is also now getting some buzz. and new controversy over reports that federal agents waited to arrest an illegal immigrant and a sex offender who worked for this powerful democratic senator, senator menendez, you saw in that picture there. what, what really went on? why was this done? an early morning rescue puts a whole new meaning on another brick in the wall. as firefighters-- did you watch this on america's news room with bill and martha? firefighters worked hours to free a woman who got stuck in a tight spot, how it happened. ♪ ♪ caught between a rock and a hard place ♪ bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. before you begin an aspirin regimen. music: "make someone happy" music: "make someone happy" â

for the debt ceiling proposal. that was from the last time the house republicans threatened the country with defaulting on our debt back in 2011. dennis ross, you probably should have calibrated your place in line a little better. throw a democrat in there ahead of you when you realize that's what you're going to get. get there in time for the repeal prohibition amendment next time. that's more fun. if you have found yourself at home constitutionally -- forgive me, constitutionally incapable of getting excited over having another fight about the debt ceiling this year, if this isn't exciting because it just feels like groundhog day to you, oh my god, i've got reckless brinksmanship fatigue, it is true that it's hard to get excited over something we have done before. it is 2013 now. remember when it happened it was a total disaster. even if you just ignore the political consequences, if you just look at the economic impact, it was a self-imposed economic disaster caused by washington refusing to do something that it needs to do and that it has done dozens of times before. republicans jus

ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john, we've seen speaker boehner's power getting weaker and weaker. is paul ryan now the de facto head of the gop? >> well, you know, actually, martin, i think he has been much more influential than people realize -- >> because he's been quite quiet publicly. >> going back to 2011. he has so much respect within that republican caucus. he's the guy who killed simpson/bowl simpson/bowles. he was on the simpson/bowles commission and wasn't willing to have any revenue increases. his fingerprints were not on it. and then when it came to the grand bargain, he told john boehner wait until the election. don't do this deal. so this is more of the same from him in his own relatively quiet way because he is much m

as they share their thoughts on entitlement reform, the e erasing of the debt ceiling -- the raising of the debt ceiling and sequestration. this is just getting underway. [applause] >> well, good morning. thank you, raymond. and thanks to all of you for making it through the snow drifts. glad you all arrived safely. one flake of snow, and washington closes down. well, we're very excited about the new year. our partnership with the chamber and this morning's program featuring senators kent conrad and judd gregg. before we start our program, i'd like to recognize our sponsors, bdo represented by david trimner. if bdo could, please, stand and be recognized. [applause] all right. the broadmoor remitted by hover -- represented by lori meacham. lori, if you could -- [applause] and ceo update whose editor-in-chief is recovering from a bad case of the flu, so she is not here. bdo is the leader in accounting and consultancy services for associations, the broadmoor is the number one resort property for associations looking for a five-star meeting experience. i've got great memories, i remember my first ex

the government borrow more money effectively raising the debt ceiling. the deal not all worked out just yet. but apparently it this will not require the spending cuts that house republicans had wanted. just released fox news poll finds that 69% favor raising the debt limit only if there are major spending cuts involved. and 23% say it's reckless not to raise it regardless. the poll also shows more than 8 in 10 think government spending is out of control. only 11% believes it's being managed carefully. mike immanuel tracking developments on the hill tonight. what's behind this house republican plan. >> bill, a lot of g.o.p. frustration has been based on the fact the senate has not passed a budget. so republicans are trying to force it house speaker john boehner told house members, quote: before there is any long-term debt alowe time for a budget to get done. >> he our hope is to pass something very early so the senate can take action as well. i wouldn't put any jeopardizing of the economy there. shows that it is a very rational, put us on a better path and i would think all the american pub

's debt ceiling through may 19. that vote is set for tomorrow. congressman paul ryan, last year's republican vice presidential nominee, said today republicans want to shift the focus to enacting a budget, with major spending cuts. the senate is going on four years now for not having passed a budget. we think this gives us the time we need in this nation to have a good, thorough vigorous and honest debate about what it takes to get our fiscal house in order and about how to budget. families budget. businesses budget. our federal government should budget. >> ifill: the bill also says if lawmakers don't enact a budget with spending cuts, they won't be paid. in the senate, democratic majority leader harry reid declined to comment on that provision, but he did say that, in general, he welcomes the house move. >> i'm very glad that they sent us up a clean... they're going to send us a clean debt ceiling bill. the other stuff on it will athat when we need to. i'm glad we're not facing crisis here in a matter of a few days. >> sreenivasan: president obama said he wanted a longer-term ex

a little mini cave on the debt ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which expires the first of march. and then of course, we have the so-called, i don't know what to call it, but it is not the cliff, but it is not what i would call it. >> the curb. >> yes, the curb beginning to kick in, and we need to work with that and i think that they are trying to line it up to camouflage whatever they may do, which i think will be to vote to let the debt ceiling go up. >> okay. so i should not see this as we say in the black church, a "come to jesus" moment, but in washington they say we are outmanned on this, so we will have to give the president his way, becaus

the debt ceiling or later on over the continuing resolution to? finance to? -- or the continuing resolution to finance the government? guest: i've only been here two years. i truly believe that when i ran and even more so now, we are a nation at risk. every american, regardless of political affiliation. so we have to reduce federal spending. this is the time right now. some of my colleagues were saying let's get through the fiscal cliff and the real fight is the continuing resolution or the real fight is the debt limit. i hear that and it goes on. host: where do you insist on spending cuts? is that the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution? guest: it is that every point. host: all of the above? guest: yes. when the president says he wants a balanced approach, i believe him. i was looking for the simpson- bowles model, fighting for least 2 to 1. i was hoping for 1 to 1. i was disappointed and deeply surprised we did not get that in this fiscal cliff. here i was as a republican, so often introduced on tv shows and news shows, "coming up, a republican who says we need higher revenues." an

of the neighbors, cooler heads will prevail now between now and the time we deal with the debt ceiling and we may meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over 10 years in the long-term deficit and to put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today, because as important as they allr today we have a more urgent and immediate call and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics better than anyone so i'm not going to repeat them. on that score, i owe an incredible debt of gratitude to you at the head table and those of you in the room. i know we don't have you nan hit in this ballroom nor do we in any ballroom, but we all acknowledge that we have to do something. we have to act. and i hope we all agree, there is a need to respond to the carnage on our streets and in our schools. i hope we all agree that mass shootings like the one we witnessed in newtown 34 days ago cannot be continued to be tolerated. that tragedy has affected the public in a way i have never see

. the way the republicans are threatening to use the debt ceiling delays everything and it puts the perspective in the wrong place. i think it is a serious mistake for them to even think about that. you were talking earlier about the articles this morning saying how dangerous it is to use the debt ceiling to essentially put the full faith and credit of this country in real jeopardy. so i'm very concerned about the consequences of doing that or even threatening to do it immediately and, also, it really shifts the focus, instead of it being on the debt ceiling, it should be elsewhere, including tax reform. host: if tax reform does not happen in 2013 -- guest: it may not happen. host: what is the impact of that? what is the implication? guest: i have said all along it is important for us to look beyond the label "tax reform." for example, we urged early on tax reform bringing the rates down to 25% individual and corporate, they -- without indicating how in the world they would do that. some said, we can use the exemptions and deductions. we have already begun to use them, i hope, i

saying we'll have bitter fights perhaps debt ceiling shutting down the government, perhaps begun control. they will be tough fights and the american people need to be ready for that. >> john: george, it seemed--what are your thoughts on that before i move on. do you think that was a pretty direct calling out of mitch mcconnell and the republicans? >> yes, look over the next few months we'll we you'll have a big fight over the sequester the funding of the government and the debt ceiling. i think he's trying to pull out the weeds of that because none of it is the soaring lofty rhetoric. i think he's trying to push past that mess to what he would care to do. >> john: alex, after seeing how large a role the hispanic vote played in the 2012 election and how poorly mitt romney played to that demographic. let's not forget his univision appearance what i call gringo star. >> they may need to work out what the messaging is going to be on this site. if they don't you can bet the democrats will use it in the the 2014 midterm. you remember in 2010 when democrats could not get the minority voters out

contact.com/try. >>> to washington now where yet another battle is brewing, this time it's over the debt ceiling and from the white house to capitol hill democrats and republicans are sparring over the best way to ensure the nation pays its bills and now they're taking the fight to you as both sides try to sell their point of view. president obama warning about what could happen if that debt limit is not raised. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks, and veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops or contracts with small business owners. investors around the world will ask if the united states of america a safe bet. >> the republican house speaker john boehner responding immediately to the president's remarks issuing a statement that read "the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. the consequences of failing to increase the debt ceiling are real, but so, too, are the consequences of allowing our spending problem to go unresolved." joining us is amy kremer, c

there not be crisis after crisis dealing with the debt ceiling. >> you said last night, you've got to put on a yogi bear costume to make sense of it. >> returning a lot to shareholders. >> one wonders. >> $12 million they're talking about. >> they have been increasing, of course, ever since the huge cuts that had to take place. what is it going to be now, four years ago, right? >> that period, $6. >> yeah. >> march of '09. amazing, coming up on the four-year anniversary. >> do you ever worry about your paycheck? >> yeah. i think you worry about money you had in any bank account or anything. sure. ge was to cushifocused in the ff '08, that was the moment where it could all come to -- >> that was after the ge bailout. >> sorry, not to revisit the -- >> we have to remind people where we came from. tim geithner leaving, david faber is worried about his paycheck. >> speaking of paychecks, let's talk morgan stanley. wall street firm reporting fourth quarter earnings 45 earlier on squawk, james gorman said his firm is poised to improved market environment. which shows a lot of promise if uncertainty is re

and pushing us up against the debt ceiling. but remarkably, president obama is now calling for even more taxes, more spending, and more borrowing in return for any future spending controls. he said yesterday that we can't finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone. simply put, the president got his tax increases in the last congress. it's time for this congress to tackle washington's spending bing. i'd like to recognize the gentlelady from indiana. >> mr. chairman, my message otoday is simple. on too many big items, congress has been kicking the can down the road for years. it's time to supply real leadership on the most pressing challenges we face. this is the only way we can restore trust in congress. we're fast approaching a dead end. the social security trust fund will be bankrupt in 20 years. medicare and medicaid are not on a sustainable path. it is wrong for us to make proppingses to the american people we know we cannot keep. ms. brooks: we must address the drivers of our debt, medicare, medicaid, an social security. not because these programs don't have merit and

the congress you are going to see on debt ceiling. the republicans in the house are talking about a short-term view of that. it certainly would avoid disaster coming up for the end of march. you will still have the issue of raising it for the long term. on the republican side there is no real appetite to do that without the reforms. same for gun-control. a lot of the agenda items that the president announced last week, the 23 executive actions you will see taken piece by piece. the easiest one to accomplish will be those that come forward the fastest, and the same for immigration reform. there is a lot that could be done and a comprehensive approach, but i think you will see that come down to the very bare minimum that both sides are able to agree on. >> let me follow up with a vote that will happen on wednesday. that will give another three months and the extension of the debt limit. weird is that position? why delay that for three months? where does that put them in march and april? >> this is an acknowledgement that they have lost the debt ceiling essentially as a leveraged tool they h

in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. really? chris stirewalt is our politics editor and host of power play on foxnews.com, it's like, you know, like they all get together and the house republicans and say who are we and what do we stand for? how are we going to handle this divided government in washington on a go-forward basis and is this one of the top ideas? we'll say, well, we'll raise the debt ceiling, delay implement takes of obamacare. >> we mean kabal in the nicest sense of the world. >> megyn: and they're washing the windows behind you and viewers are wondering what the ropes are behind you. >> maybe some republican trying to escape, i don't know what it is, but the reality they're in a bad position and don't have a lot of good options and you have to be creative when you don't have good options, that's just the deal. and so, yes, something like, we'll accept the debt ceiling for as long as you're willing to hold obamacare in abeyance. the president is not going for that. here is what they know, they have to have something on offer, because they got creamed on the tax issue, n

in the politics of that. he has fights around the debt ceiling coming up and to make this the issue, how do you think that will work? >> that's why i wonder how serious he is. i'm not questioning his motives. now he knows for the next two months all we're going to be talking about is the debt ceiling, sequestration, the continuing resolution, ending the fiscal cliff, all of these. >> you're not questioning his motives of what he's suggesting. he'd rather have a conversation about guns than the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is trying to get political support from his base, maybe he feels it strengthens him going into negotiations with the republicans or the fiscal issues. listen these guys won't even ban assault weapons, how can you trust them on taxes and spending. i see it as building up his political position which is not wrong but i don't think in his heart of hearts he thinks he's going to pass any significant legislation. >> congressman king in the studio after my asking all the time. >> i couldn't stay away from you, soledad. >> she's not really a tough interviewer is she? >> she

to the caucus, we can't win this fight publicly. let the debt ceiling go because we're going to be blamed for the economic fallout. let's push that down the road kick the can down the road, as they say, and try to get some budget out of the senate and try to get some real spending cuts in the next three months. so paul ryan and others within the caucus are seeing a longer game here than is this freshman senator from texas. >> but if you ask paul ryan what he wants to do on gun control, he would say, i don't want to do anything on gun control. you've talked to moderate republicans -- >> what about registration? >> the only thing they might do is something on registration. >> background checks. >> that's it. no idea that you're banning weapons. no chance. >> registration is the worst. >> put it on tape. 5 0% chance it passes. >> good because hunters need 30 bullets. >> if you've seen a single republican say they support that -- >> a democratic lobbyist last night working on this very issue, he said we don't have the votes. that's now, and that is before the president goes

and not do our job which is unforgivable as a way to make these policies. second, you have the debt ceiling. it is the wrong thing to hold the country hostage. it's also going to be a play we know there's could be a fight over the debt ceiling. in the past the debt ceiling reminded folks we were borrowing too much and we needed to make changes. it could be a useful reminder not if it goes as far as people really start to worry about in the u.s. government and economic damage which is what we saw last time. the third piece of the resolution the fact that government spending is going to expire and these three issues is another kind of fiscal cliff and the question is is it going to force action with the hardest pieces that are still remaining were the fact when it comes to the fiscal clef they still for all intensive purposes it's good we didn't go over the fiscal cliff, it's good we raise revenue, but we basically did what we always do in washington which is we punted all the hard choices and a sort of tried to declare a bipartisan victory. but it wasn't theirs of the question was what's goi

resolution that is done in the government. we have the debt ceiling. these three major things are going to consume congress because republicans and democrats don't agree how to resolve those. he will become tied up dealing with this and it has to be done. we have to deal with these things. immigration and gun-control, these are things, like a marriage, almost wish list items. i know immigration is a big item appeared that will also be hard to move something that is progressive or liberal with a divided congress, as is gun- control. we all know and assault weapons ban cannot get through the house. it's not going to get through. it is possible they will get background checks. maybe it very scaled-back versions of what the president was talking about yesterday. but in a full-scale, you will not able to get assault weapons ban through. he will not able to get immigration through in the way progressives would like. so that probably will not happen. but the spending will have to be dealt with. sources will be made, in that sense. host: we're talking about president obama's second term. we wan

, and what's on the agenda is devising some sort of house bill that would raise the debt ceiling and pair it with entitlement or other spending cuts. you know, there's differing theories about how long, you know, one or two years which is what the president talked about. we've heard a couple of months, we've heard four years. you know, but there's sort of a principle that they're using which is equal amount of deficit reduction for the amount the debt ceiling is raised. so if you're going to raise it by, you know, $3 or $4 trillion, we're talking about sort of massive reforms probably along the lines of the paul ryan budget which cut $5 trillion in spending. you'd see things like block granting of medicaid and food stamps and, you know, i don't think that they would put in what's called a voucher system or premium support system for medicare. that was, you know, pretty much trounced during the election. but we'll see. you need something with big numbers in order to -- [inaudible] more or less it's probably a smaller debt ceiling increase. and they also need to decide what to do about two

borrowing limit as soon as mid-february. so president obama will request congress to raise the debt ceiling once again. this is the fifth time the president has -- president obama has requested the debt limit be raised to allow the federal government to borrow and spend more money. but what is the point of even having a debt limit if congress simply extends the treasury's borrowing capacity each time the limit is reached? while some may say that it's irresponsible not to raise the debt limit, our nation finds itself at a point of such indebtedness that it is equally as irresponsible to extend the debt ceiling without significant reductions in federal spending. i voted against an increase to the debt limit two years ago and intend to vote against another increase unless we substantially change the way that government does business by reducing federal spending. in addition to it being alleged that it's irresponsible not to raise the debt ceiling, sometimes it's suggested that it's not compassionate to not spend money. where is the compassion in spending money that we don't have that's being b

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